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https://twitter.com/olemoritz/status/1076853564243357696
the latest version was released on 2017.12.30.

@timtim beta expires in one month, 🤞

sorry I don’t care about this, I just know the final release. Maybe there are much more versions on omz’s computer. But I don’t care.

besides try to explain this.
"I will do a maintenance update around the same time as the next Pythonista update (early 2019).”

https://twitter.com/olemoritz/status/1196371876290928640

It would be great to get an update and also a roadmap for features. I would be interested in:

1. Python 3.9
2. Pandas
3. SymPy

I hope I can see the next version before my grandson’s birthday and now i’m going to find a girlfriend.

I'd like to see Scipy included.

One of the mainstream UI packages (tkinter, PyQt, wxPython) please. Please!

Where r u, omz? 2 years.

We still don’t know what happened to him.

@timtim said:

Where r u, omz? 2 years.

He recently became active on twitter again and posted some stuff about pythonista:

PSA: The built-in Shortcuts integration for Pythonista will be removed early next year. I‘m working on integrating the new iOS 13 APIs, and I hope to have it ready by the end of the year. Migration might be automatic, but I‘m not sure about that yet.

This does imply that there will be a pythonista update this year.

@bennr01 r u sure?
"I will do a maintenance update around the same time as the next Pythonista update (early 2019).”

python3.8.1 has been released few days ago. We are using python3.6.1. WOWWWWWWW!!

Pythonista is still the best there is. No other app is so polished and so complete. Documentation lookup, UI, etc... but the little things are starting to show their age. So I’m also looking forward to an update. Happy to hear that it sounds like one is likely in the next few months.

@timtim said:

@bennr01 r u sure?
"I will do a maintenance update around the same time as the next Pythonista update (early 2019).”

The tweet is dated 18. Nov. 2019 and was written after @omz long silence. It is likely that for some personal reasons he had to take some time off and the originally planned update was delayed.

@bennr01 yeah, no explanation at all and was delayed for 1 year.

Two years for one “BIG” feature? Can’t wait to try it. Maybe next year we can try python3.8? Or 2030?

@timtim Perhaps you should keep a diary.

I (and perhaps others) find your repetitive complaints to be a distraction.

If Pythonista in its current form is not the app for you then please do the constructive thing and contribute to the open source Pyto which already ships with Python 3.8 and many of the third party modules that you have been requesting.

@timtim personally, I can live with Python 3.6, but I couldn't live happily without Pythonista, even without an update. We can still do everything with ObjectiveC ...

@ccc No pyto ugly ui. Hello, can you update pillow on pythonista with third party modules?

@cvp Personally, I can’t live with an app like pythonista, no updating news for 2 years. Oh, sorry, just news. “I’m coming this year. I’m coming soon. I’m coming.” So what is the plan, really? Coming soon?

@ccc I bought pythonista for me and my friends, I just throw the money away? Can you give me my money?

@timtim said:

No pyto ugly ui.

Pyto is open source. You can fix the UI and we can all benefit from your work. Pillow v7 is already included.

Can you give me my money?

I (like you) do not get any revenue from Pythonista but if you come to my Starbucks, I will buy you a coffee of your choice. It costs a bit more than the Pythonista entitlement does but I would gladly do it.

@ccc I would prefer to pay the price of a coffee/beer/wine (user choice) per year to @omz for his marvelous app, even without any update, only to use it.

I can pay two cups of coffee if omz can add support for python3.8 and latest modules. I just wonder what work him spent two years on.

@ccc No I’m not good at programming on iOS. I tried stash and made some pull requests.

@timtim Perhaps could you run this kind of code to execute in Pyto some modules unknown in Pythonista

import sys
import urllib
import webbrowser
#print(sys.argv)
if len(sys.argv) == 1:
#   ┏━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┓
#   ┃code to run in Pyto ┃
#   ┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
    code = '''
import urllib
import webbrowser

import pandas as pd
data = {
    'apples': [3, 2, 0, 1], 
    'oranges': [0, 3, 7, 2]
}
purchases = pd.DataFrame(data)

result = str(purchases)
encoded = urllib.parse.quote(result)
webbrowser.open('pythonista3://pyto.py?action=run&argv='+encoded)
    '''
    # execute code in Pyto
    encoded = urllib.parse.quote(code)
    webbrowser.open('pyto://x-callback/?code='+encoded)
else:
    # back from Pyto
    print(sys.argv[1]) 

@cvp 😃very creative, best of both worlds... respect!

@pulbrich thank you but it was mainly for fun 😀

@cvp I was qurious about the script, but I received "The file pyto.py couldn't be found", when Pytonista opens.

@pavlinb did you save the above script under the name of pyto.py in Pythonista?

@pavlinb yes, sorry I forgot to say you have to save the script as pyto.py in Pythonista.
Thanks to @pulbrich

All is done in Pythonista, nothing in Pyto but you need to have both apps

@cvp I can’t do that since I’m writing code run on iOS, windows and Linux. So I can’t use pyto there.

@pulbrich Now it works in both directions :-)

@cvp @pulbrich Check your profile pictures, looks funny.

@timtim said:

I’m writing code run on iOS, windows and Linux

if sys.platform.startswith(“ios “):

@timtim said:

Check your profile pictures, looks funny.

I had remarked similar moustaches but I didn't dare post something

@cvp said:

I had remarked similar moustaches but I didn't dare post something

I guess it just comes with experience.

@pulbrich 👍

@ccc en… looks ugly. I won’t do that.

How could it be ugly? It is Pythonic.

Agree, I didn't understand too.

It is ugly. I have to write duplicated code for this. And excute it like https://docs.python.org/3/library/functions.html#exec . TOO UGLY.

Nonsense.

@cvp
This absolutely briliant!

@upwart Thanks, but only @omz and the author of Pyto are brillant

TF will expire in 7 days. Oh, the next tf will come after 7 days, and we can wait another 90 days for another tf. Wow, 1 years = 365 days = 4 tf

@timtim said:

the next tf will come after 7 days

it makes me happy, that proves that @omz is still alive, and that is the most important

See, he is still driving Pythonista 😂

TestFlight version expires on 20 hours... Drumroll please.

Wow. Omz update the beta version every 90 days which is equal to the expiry date set by Apple. I wish Apple can extend this to 365 days because I don’t want him to overwork.

Beta expired

Let us pray

Louder, please.

😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱 😱

Hello？Still alive?

Please no more "No actual changes."

@cvp I am quite intrigued at your creative solution to use Pyto as essentially another module that Pythonista can use to provide support for all the many modules that the latest Pyto has but as of this moment are not supported in Pythonista. And it brilliantly uses url schemes to provide the means for callbacks from one app to the other. I have a few questions that perhaps you could elaborate on<?

1 - Is code that is running on Pyto side running in a Pyto process or Pythonista's? that is, if in Pyto, then latest Python version for example.
2 - Can I create my front' end UI in Pythonista with support for a decent UI editor but run non-UI code on the Pyto side?
3 - Is it the case that, for example, in the case of Pandas, that the full breadth of support would be there, effectively never needing Pythonista to support any of these modules, but if installed on Pyto is fully available on the Pythonista side?

@ltddev, that would be the idea. Since both Pythonista and Pyto can see the same code in iCloud, there is no need to even pass all executable code over the url.

Would be even better if the pyto site-packages could be exposed to Pythonista...

RIP pythonista?

@ltddev
1. Yes, in Pyto
2. Why not
3. Yes, but not fully available on the Pythonista side, only the result of Pyto could be sent

@mikael said:

Would be even better if the pyto site-packages could be exposed to Pythonista...

I think it was possible with the last (disappeared) beta

@cvp, thanks for clarifying. Then this is a nice way to own both apps and extend the longer term value of Pythonista by using each app for the way it excels(right now ( in my opinion, Pyto beats out Pythonista for the latest Python builds and the extensive 3rd party library support right out of the box and that it is open source, which at the very least means that there is an active community discussing and implementing new features, fixes and documentation. Pythonista currently beats out Pytro for its elaborate UI building capabilities, its documentation, an active community of users that have already produced great tooling (like the entire STASH ecosystem) and ways to extend Pythonista perhaps in ways never even imagined by its creator. I think Pythonista's Object C bridge and its support for calling native code (objc_utils) is easier and richer to use than Pyto's, although Pythonista''s is proprietary (OMZ created and owns)``while Pyto uses opensource 3rd party so it is more extensible. Even if OMZ never releases a single update for Pythonista, I think its value stretches into the future (provided that future IOS versions don't completely break the app which is very unlikely given there might not be any further development to Pythonista,

Thus it would appear to me that each app currently does some things better than the other does so we need not have to choose one or the other but can actually use both to build some really useful utilities and extensions that can extend IOS apps because the url scheme support provides some measure of inter-app support.

lalala pythonista is falling down falling down falling down~~

@cvp said:

@mikael said:

Would be even better if the pyto site-packages could be exposed to Pythonista...

I think it was possible with the last (disappeared) beta

@cvp, could you please elaborate? Do you refer to a beta of Pyto? It does not seem to expose site-packages today (in the same way that Working Copy exposes the repositories).

To clarify, I do not expect we could run pandas in Pythonista, but was thinking that it would be nice to get code completion going in some way.

@mikael Sorry, I was referring to Pythonista but I did a mistake, really sorry.

It is sure we could share an iCloud Drive file in an user directory, like

'/private/var/mobile/Library/Mobile Documents/com~apple~CloudDocs/MyFolder/MyFile.txt'

Still waiting on pythonista beta release to app store. the lack of shared directory access (resolves in the beta) greatly diminishes the value of the app. @omz please release it to the app store.

@cvp, I guess the biggest obstacle for a smooth ”Pythonista UI/Pyto pandas” experience is that Pyto needs to pop in front while it’s executing?

@mikael yes, that's why a split view of Pythonista and Pyto both running could be the solution

The solution suggested between pythonista and pyto is ugly, awful and stupid. If omz stopped updating pythonista, we should abandon it, too. Just let is dead. I’m trying pyto now. Thank god I have pycharm so I don’t have to view or write code with pyto.

@timtim said:

The solution suggested between pythonista and pyto is ... stupid

Thanks a lot

@timtim On the other hand, I consider stupid and useless the constant ranting against Pythonista, his active community and against some very active/skilled people here. Those who propose solutions or try to study them and make them available to others not only do something worthy of note but keep alive the interest and freedom to dream of many users, it is the most important thing for me.

Take a tour in this forum (since six years ago) and you will see that there are many posts where people have written very interesting thing and what thay have written, driven by their passion for something, have allowed other people to start dreaming or simply to be more productive with Pythonista.

@Matteo do not worry. Sometimes I feel like @lpl is back ...

@Matteo The forum is alive but how about the author of Pythonista? Do you think the forum can stay alive even the application is dead? I don't think so.

1. And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
2. We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
3. Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
4. And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
5. I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?

Hello Ole,
I am back on the app store version again. Why not just release the last beta to the app store? It was pretty stable. Come on don't be shy and just push the button !

;-)

Please release the beta version of Pythonista now in its current state, because the beta is much more stable than the app store version.

Since ios13 is released the external files function for folders is broken. I think this is a must for all developers here, which are using Working Copy.

I know, it is stupid, but, please, let me have fun.
I launch a Pyto script and a Pythonista script, sharing a local file in
Files App/On my Ipad/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt.
Both apps run together in MultiView MultiTasking, only to show that both apps could dialog...
but, I agree, if too ugly, don't watch this video

Pythonista script

import ui
from math import pi,cos,sin

class MyClass(ui.View):
    def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs):
        super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)

        self.iv = ui.View()

        self.r = ui.get_screen_size()[0]/2
        self.iv.frame = (0,6,self.r*2,self.r*2)
        self.iv.corner_radius = self.r
        self.iv.background_color = 'gray'
        self.add_subview(self.iv)

        self.c = ui.View()
        self.ri = self.r / 10
        self.c.frame = (0,0,self.ri*2,self.ri*2)
        self.c.corner_radius = self.ri
        self.c.background_color = 'red'
        self.iv.add_subview(self.c)

        self.path = '/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/E778DE4A-FE79-42E6-9200-353821BFF879/File Provider Storage/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt'

        self.update_interval = 0.02
        self.ang = 0

    def update(self):       
        self.ang += 1
        a = self.ang*pi/180
        self.c.x = self.r + (self.r-self.ri)*cos(a) - self.ri
        self.c.y = self.r + (self.r-self.ri)*sin(a) - self.ri
        r = str(self.c.x)+','+str(self.c.y)
        with open(self.path,mode='wt') as fil:
            fil.write(r)

    def layout(self):
        w = self.bounds.size[0]
        self.iv.x = w - 2*self.r

if __name__ == '__main__':
    mc = MyClass(bg_color='white', name='Pythonista')
    mc.present('fullscreen') 

Pyto script

import pyto_ui as ui
from math import pi,cos,sin
from UIKit import UIScreen
from time import sleep
import threading

class my_thread(threading.Thread):
  def __init__(self,view):
    threading.Thread.__init__(self)
    self.view = view
  def run(self):
    path = '/private/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/E778DE4A-FE79-42E6-9200-353821BFF879/File Provider Storage/Pythonista_to_Pyto/pythonista_to_pyto.txt'

    ang = 0
    while True:
      #sleep(0.01)
      with open(path,mode='rt') as fil:
        r = fil.read()
      try:
        xy = r.split(',')
        self.view.c.x = float(xy[0])
        self.view.c.y = float(xy[1])
      except Exception as e:
        if str(e) == "could not convert string to float: ''":
          continue
        print(str(e))
        break

class MyClass(ui.View):
  def __init__(self, *args, **kwargs):
    super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)
    self.background_color = ui.COLOR_WHITE
    self.title = 'Pyto'

    self.iv = ui.View()
    self.r = UIScreen.mainScreen.bounds.size.width/2 
    self.iv.frame = (0,0,self.r*2,self.r*2)
    self.iv.corner_radius = self.r
    self.iv.background_color = ui.COLOR_GRAY
    self.add_subview(self.iv)
    self.c = ui.View()
    self.ri = self.r / 10
    self.c.frame = (0,0,self.ri*2,self.ri*2)
    self.c.corner_radius = self.ri
    self.c.background_color = ui.COLOR_RED
    self.add_subview(self.c)

    server_thread = my_thread(self)
    server_thread.start()

if __name__ == '__main__':
  mc = MyClass()
  ui.show_view(mc,ui.PRESENTATION_MODE_FULLSCREEN)

@timtim said:

1. And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.
2. We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.
3. Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.
4. And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?
5. I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?

1. But in my opinion if Python.org updates Python to 4.0 version, it automatically doesn't mean it is a good thing also for Pythonista developer...it is like a car that has a lot of electronics: it is good for those who sell electronic components, not always for those who have to buy or maintain them (in this example the seller would be python.org or Apple (with ios versions) and who would buy and maintain the updates by python.org or Apple is omz: yes, about python no expense of money, because it is free, but certainly expense of time invested on maintaining).

2. I don't know what omz is doing, personally I don't care much, because I consider privacy important, but I hope the best for him. Sorry but I don't see an employment contract between us users and the developer, and I think it's a good thing that it doesn't exist...I'm sorry for you that you need to use the latest Python 3 features not present in Pythonista and you have spent money to buy (from what I understand) several Pythonista licenses for you and other people, thinking of making a good deal because, maybe, you were hoping that Pythonista would continue to be updated with the frequency of a few years ago. I have not spent so much (the equivalent of a pizza and drink) and above all, for what I have to do, the version of Pythonista I use is great for me (I almost completely ignore the benefits that I could have using the last version of python 3 in the things I do, also because the things I do concern things discovered many years ago by people like this, this, this, this, this ..., which have very little to do with python 3...).

3. I have a very personal opinion about these things, I'm not a programmer and for me a tool is valid as long as I can use it in the things I have to do, I don't need updates if I can add (someone can add) some extra capabilities to version I use. So for me the version of Pythonista may have stopped at the one I use, but clearly only for me, not for others that take more advantage of using the updated version.

4. I read about Pyto, it is very poweful, I would like to install it but the ios version that I use does not allow it and I have little free mem space, and I have no intention of updating the ios operating system for now with my phone. About python.org nobody can decide the fate of something in which he is not directly involved, many things happen or can happen in the future and we don't want it. For example I'm interested in environmental issues but I still use a diesel car, when diesel will cost more than electric I will change car. So new tool when I will need it or will be imposed on me by other things that I cannot govern (ie: global economy) ...

5. About an updated version of Pythonista I am neither an optimist nor a pessimist because the version I use (an old one) is fine and I know that here there are people who, with their knowledge and intellectual abilities, manage to increase the power of this application with programming (with Python as well or objc). I'm not a big fan of software updates in general, even less if they concern only graphic updates. I would still use Windows XP if Microsoft continued to update it with security patches, new and useful functions, optimization of ram and cpu usage, etc ... but the abandonment of certain versions of certain software is often related to economic and marketing aspects (new operating system that requires more power means that we need new hardware, even if, with programming only, someone could give more power to existing softwares / operating systems if they were extensible, even if they are not open-source, but this would involve less money...).

@Matteo ？

@cvp, heh! I understand why it had to be done.

Also, nice comparison of the syntax of the two implementations.

@cvp, does pyto need to be in the foreground for it to execute?

@mikael Really, I don't know at all. No experience with Pyto but I suppose yes. For me all apps except for music, Bluetooth, GPS tracking need to be in foreground. But I can be wrong.

@Guest said:

1. And even if omz push Pythonista to App Store this time, how about the next version? We still have to wait for 2 years? After 2 years, I think Python 4.0 will be released, while we are still using Python 3.6.1. Guys, I really don't understand why are you so optimistic about all these things. Yeah, of course we can use it now and of course you can still use Windows XP and Python 2, just don't try to force all of the users to keep waiting Pythonista 3.3.

(long text, tldr below)

The reason I am optimistic about this is simple: I was never disappointed by Pythonista. When I first bought the original pythonista, I did not expect any updates at all. It was (and still is) working nicely and at that point already had way more features than the app I used previously. So when after a few month pythonista received an update, I was positively surprised.I do not remember what exactly the first update I experienced was, but since then we have gotten the ui, bluetooth and objc modules, none of which I expected to receive.

I believe that the displeasedness some users experience regarding these updates is a general change in mentallity that occured over the years. Products used to be finished, as in if this app is working and has all promised features, there wont be an update. This is something that I observe increasingly frequently, especially with games. A few years ago, someone asked in the steam discussions "Is this game dead?". The response was quite fitting: No, it is finished. That used to be a thing.*. While I am now steering off-topic, in the time before steam, updates were extremely rare. You had your cd/dvd and could install the game. Sometimes the developer published patches, but even these were few (most of the time 2 at most) in numbers. IMO, it is likely that the easy online update distribution let developers publish less polished and sometime incomplete products. Since fixes were needed, more updates were published. I believe this increased frequency in updates let to changed user expectations. Compared to this, updates simply used to be less needed.

Since I do not expect updates, every update is a posive developement (I get free content). No update is no negative developement (It still works and I still have the complete product I bought).

TL;DR: It is likely due to a changed mindset over time. I bought Pythonista as what I expected to be a complete product (which it was) and all updates are a positive developement.

1. We already waited for 2 years, and you just keep waiting and begging omz to update? Did he show up? He just said, oh, I'm coming.And you just wait like a dog waiting for food. But what did he do? From early 2019 to the end of 2019.

As I wrote in some other threads before, pythonista's update cycles always used to be long. While this one is extraordinary long compared to the previous ones, it matters little. While some of the frequently requested features would be really nice, I can work perfectly fine with the current version of pythonista.

Also, while I understand some users may be upset about the appearant lack of developement, it simply does not matter for me. So what if there is no update? I bought a complete product and all updates are just a bonus. There is no requirement for omz to create any non-bugfix updates, and complaining about him taking too long to give us free stuff is just chosing-beggar style (please note that this is not aimed at you, I just want to explain my mindset here).

1. Maybe you think it is normal for an application like this, but not for me and my friends.

This is it. It used to be normal. I personally believe that this is still what should be normal, but the (as written above) increasingly distribution of incomplete/unpolished products lead to a change in what is considered normal.

1. And don't tell me about Pyto. Imaging that you installed Python 3.6.1 2 years ago and python.org didn't release any updates about python any more, and after waiting for 2 years, you are told that python.org will close in 2 days. What would you think? Just smile and then try other tools?

I am also super annoyed about the pyto spam, especially since I believe it to be inappropiate to mention it often in this forum. It costs money to host these forums and posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.

That being said, I think most users mentioning pyto are just trying to be helpful. Some features have very little chance of being added to pythonista (like pandas), so mentioning pyto in this context is just trying to be constructive.

(Off-topic: python.org closing down would not cause any problems. Everything on there is likely available on hundreds of other websites. Its so important that we have enough redundancy for all content on there. Also, I personally see the newer versions of python not very attractive. Many of the new features seem unpythonic and straight up ugly, like PEP572 and some other stuff).

1. I don't know why are you so optimistic. Maybe you are using WIndows XP, iOS 5.0 and Python2?

Yes, I am using python 2, though I am migrating to 3 slowly. That being said, I believe this to be a both an unfair and a wrong comparsion. Upgrading from Windows XP costs money, pythonistas updates are free. Just imagine the outcry if every pythonista update costs as much as the normal app (This actually did happen once, when upgrading to pythonista3, but this had so many new features that it was basically a new app. There were also lots of rabats for existing users. All other updates, however, were free).

After writing this, I now feel old...

@bennr01 Agree with all, last line excluded. I don't feel old, I'm old 😀

@bennr01 said:

posting about pyto here is literally advertising competition.

I'm sincerely sorry. I never wanted to advertise for Pyto. I can't imagine my life without Pythonista and I think that competition is very far from it and would never reach its quality and functionalities. It was only to show that Pythonista offers some way to dialog with an app like Pyto to use some absent features. In my case, I don't need them.

I see nothing wrong with mentioning both Pythonista and Pyto in the forum. They each have different strengths and weaknesses.

Ole is back on Twitter and there is a new version of Editorial

And the new version of Pythonista will come soon.

OMZ @olemoritz
Thank you so much for your wonderful Pythonista app. I use it constantly every single day. For my use, Pythonista is perfect in its current state. I wish you well.

Interesting. I recently (today) updated Editorial on my iPhone.

I have to assume a Pythonista update is coming soon. OMZ gets more revenue from Pythonista, than from Editorial.

@Guest ,
It is apparent to anyone following omz on Twitter that Ole has been away for quite some time at least in part to heal from some sort of mental illness combined with intentionally holding back on the updates and new features of a new product while he thinks about/tries out various types of offerings and updates such as free and pro versions of the next version of Pythonista and Editorial In any case, it would appear that the stress of managing and updating these apps in a way that both suits his needs to draw an income and pay bills with revenue from these apps and be a good thing for all the current and future users of Pythonista and Editorial, may be factor in the mental illness he has been dealing with for the past two years. If so, your constant baiting and taunting him (you and some others) with remarks such as ( I paraphrase) "la la Pythonista is falling down, falling down, falling down la lala..." make it abundantly clear that you (and some others) firstly fail to realize that there is actually a real human being named Ole who produced/produces Pythonista and Editorial , who has feelings, who uses revenue from these two apps to pay real bills, who did not create them just for your benefit and of some of the people out there who think and strongly believe that because they slapped down ten bucks a couple of years ago to purchase a LICENSE to USE Pythonista, that this, in itself, grants you some ownership of them and their author and that you somehow DESERVE future updates/new features (as opposed to bug fixes to correct defective code you licensed). As others in this thread have remarked, Pythonista 3,x is a FINISHED, versioned, product and grants you usage of it, as is, as it was at the time you installed it. Any further enhancements or improvements are COMPLETELY at the discretion of their author, though any good author with a dedicated group of users will want ro take their opinions on such things into consideration.

The point I am trying to make is,that there is really no room here on this forum for any negative remarks about Ole and this app that are not constructive and only serve to annoy the users of this forum and probably Ole as well.

I mentioned it before. Sadly with no comment at that time. We can support Ole and we can go to the App Store and select „Send a gift“. You can chose your own email address. And even if you buy this today and have to pay tomorrow again for a new version of Pythonista, it is worth it. After send a gift you can use the code later and send it later to a friend. You can do this every year, month, day or even every minute.

If Ole will provide us a PayPal email address, this would be an alternative and will get him 100% of the money

Editorial was updated to version 1.3.4 with iPhone X support just now ...

@wnMark said:

If Ole will provide us a PayPal email address, this would be an alternative and will get him 100% of the money

He could have problems if Apple knows that